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By Kult
#7412 Held 10/28/15
8pm
at Jasmine on the Vosk

[8:10:25 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
lets get started.. for those arriving later...

[8:10:39 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
I got a message a few minutes ago that Grinder was detained at work and will be here in 30 minutes or so and he asked I get things started in his stead

[8:11:25 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
so I leave his agenda to him and ask if there is any old business?

[8:12:02 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
going once

[8:12:06 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Looks at my Account Book to See If There Is any One who still owes me coin from the fairs

[8:12:10 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
not here

[8:12:13 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
going twice

[8:12:26 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
I have one point I would like to raise

[8:12:26 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
gone before Storm finds any debts

[8:12:36 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
:listens

[8:13:03 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
something that came up at last Fair

[8:13:36 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
regarding tags

[8:14:15 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
it is known am sure that outlawsdo not come into society as such

[8:14:33 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
nods

[8:14:33 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
panthers disguised themselves as FW for example

[8:15:19 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
therefore should we not encourage that Panthers etc do not advertise themselves as such on tags?

[8:15:40 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
agreed

[8:15:55 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
agreed

[8:16:13 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
nods

[8:16:59 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
it seems wrong to my mind that they come into society advertising

[8:17:46 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
gets off me pagabox

[8:17:53 PM] Grinder =JoV=(T²G) has entered the room.

[8:17:57 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
^C

[8:18:01 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
Tal Brother

[8:18:13 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Tal Men, sorry I am late

[8:18:31 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
just in time... the floor is yours

[8:18:57 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Tal and welcome to the Leadership Roundtable, everyone............

[8:19:23 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
Joss I have a question on your item

[8:19:32 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
listens

[8:19:52 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
if a female come in advertising she is a Panther with a P is she open to capture even though it is the fair?

[8:20:15 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
or if a man comes in advertising he is a Outlaw is he open to capture

[8:20:48 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
arrest and locked in the provo marshals jail wagons

[8:20:50 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
to my mind yes but how that would play out I dont know

[8:21:16 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
and really its not an issue just for the fair

[8:21:23 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
what provo marshal?

[8:21:25 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Do you mean capture, as in enslavement, Deverin?

[8:21:40 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
if it be a panther, yes enslavement

[8:21:51 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
no one was enslaved at the Fairs

[8:21:52 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
I feel we need to educate them maybe more on what is acceptable

[8:22:01 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
that's forbidden at the Fair

[8:22:03 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
slaves were bought and sold, but no one was enslaved

[8:22:15 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
^c

[8:22:17 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
yes but no panthers came there openly

[8:22:20 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Kult

[8:22:27 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
*nods to Deverin*

[8:22:32 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
I thought the fairs were neutral ground and that all were safe there

[8:22:49 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
this is an online venue. The most we can do, is what we been doing when there are problems at fairs. seclude them, educate them. and if this is refused boot the ass out

[8:23:10 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
^C

[8:23:14 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
William

[8:23:25 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Thank you Grinder

[8:24:42 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
So, it seems the concern is over the letter P? What about the letter T? Or any other letter. If they are properly dressed, aka disguised as a FW, you wouldn't magically be able to see the letter P anyhow, just as you wouldn't magically know homestones

[8:24:52 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
with out all the lovely tags at the end of names.

[8:24:56 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
done.

[8:25:23 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^C

[8:25:33 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I think the problem is, or has been, in the past............

[8:26:48 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
that some people have tried to take advantage of their choice of "outlaw" or "Panther", or whatever other role......... to escape the expectations that go along with being Gorean, while enjoying the benefits of being in PalGor

[8:27:11 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
^C

[8:28:00 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Wearing the letter P is just the same as coming in animal skins............. if the woman wants to hide as a FW, then she should come in dressed as one, and expect to be held to FW standards, not jungle panther standards

[8:28:01 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
done

[8:28:03 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Tay

[8:28:20 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
Thank You Grinder

[8:29:38 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
Ive been attending the fairs for gawds way before most of You here as well as many of ones I call Sisters, We never had problem nor caused problem at the fairs wearing PL or TL or whatever on Our tags, so I guess Im asking why the change now or am I

[8:29:46 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
mistaken of what the issue is?

[8:29:46 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
done

[8:30:21 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
^C

[8:30:21 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^c

[8:30:24 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Joss

[8:30:25 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
^C

[8:30:41 PM] Lexx~H~Thentis~CA has entered the room.

[8:30:55 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
The issue as I said is not just of the Fair

[8:31:26 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
It is simply that outlaws - male and female did not come into society as such

[8:31:37 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
Tal Free

[8:31:49 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
they are not some sort of robin hood figure as some think

[8:32:12 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
and only came into society disguised

[8:32:15 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
done

[8:32:21 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Storm

[8:33:44 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Ty Grinder I would like To Answer A question that That Deverin Asked Earlier The fairs Did Employ Men to Handle The Policeman Role To maintain Law And Order It is by Book And Found In the merchant Laws

[8:35:11 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
And Simply Yes The fairs Was Basically Neutral ground But They Did Maintain Civilized Law and handled it Accordingly

[8:36:02 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
^C

[8:36:16 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Other Wise it Could Turn in to A free for All And with out The Order And Structure that Gor is built on

[8:36:53 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Out laws Are Out laws they Would be treated As such

[8:36:55 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Done

[8:37:01 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
William

[8:37:10 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Thank you Grinder.

[8:38:55 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
If the Fair's Committee is going to sanction violence and forceful detainment among Free then a set of rules for combat need to be sanctioned by the Fair Committee for those Free that would be inclined to resist arrest.

[8:39:07 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
done

[8:39:57 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
^C

[8:40:01 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Joss

[8:40:36 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
This issue I raised as I say is not only one that applies to the Fair

[8:41:21 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
if Homes allow Outlaws in their Homes then that is their choice

[8:41:57 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
^Q

[8:42:00 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
what I see is that outlaws did not mix in society or they would not be outlaws period

[8:42:32 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
and I see leaders as being responsible for educating on matters such as this

[8:42:41 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
done

[8:42:44 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Lexx

[8:42:51 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
outlaws... ones with no home stone, or ones that committed crimes... or both

[8:43:04 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
done

[8:43:21 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
^C

[8:43:26 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Storm

[8:44:55 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Both in my opinion As A Person without A home Stone Whether Caste out of their Home Refused bread water And Salt to those Who choose to remain Free of Any ties to any civilized home

[8:44:58 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Done

[8:45:15 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^C

[8:45:29 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
:nods

[8:45:56 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I think that we need to discuss standards for what constitutes an outlaw........ perhaps not tonight, but maybe next month if we decide to move forward on this..............

[8:46:22 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
agree

[8:46:47 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
I second that motion.

[8:46:57 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
otherwise, a man who has just entered PalGor would be considered an outlaw, as he has not yet been given time to properly investigate, choose, and be accepted to a Home Stone

[8:47:34 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
:nods

[8:47:41 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Not to mention that..........

[8:48:22 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
if we just consider anyone without a Home Stone to be an outlaw, then we will have a bunch of people making REALLY poor choices, just to belong somewhere

[8:48:33 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
^C

[8:48:34 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
done

[8:48:38 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Joss

[8:49:04 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
My issue is with those who display themselves as Outlaws

[8:49:09 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
ah

[8:49:16 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
done

[8:49:25 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
who choose to self identify as outlaws, you mean?

[8:49:26 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
:nods

[8:49:49 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
aye

[8:50:09 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
those are the ones that draw the attention to that fact

[8:51:19 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
^C

[8:51:45 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I am going to suggest that we appoint a committee.................. Joss, Taayshie, William, and Deverin? to put together some proposed guidelines for defining and dealing with such people? Those proposals to be presented at the next LR?

[8:52:18 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
any second?

[8:52:43 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
ok, then we'll move on............. Lexx, you are up

[8:52:44 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
I think you’re supposed to appoint people who miss the meetings to committee's

[8:53:18 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
:laughs hard hearing William

[8:53:25 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
Obviously... those just joining PalGor have no home stone, at least not yet... until they do they are listed as OutLaw...

[8:53:28 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
that I would second

[8:53:56 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
just clarifying

[8:54:00 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
done

[8:54:16 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Anyone else?

[8:54:37 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
^c

[8:54:38 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Nope would be beating A dead kaili

[8:54:42 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Deverin

[8:54:43 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
nods

[8:54:56 PM]
Kedar±TAFA±F§:
Nods

[8:55:14 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
no any new should be given OBSV tags so they can look around and have a chance be they male or female, free or slave

[8:55:26 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
agree

[8:55:58 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
wait

[8:56:03 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
^C

[8:56:06 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Vagabond

[8:56:46 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
we have a person that arrives here after 15 years in another realm and we are going to issue Observer tags? seriously?

[8:57:10 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
^C

[8:57:13 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
mmmm good point

[8:57:15 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Deverin

[8:57:18 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
so the true newbie and the old sage new to PalGor are indiscernable?

[8:57:30 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
^C

[8:57:33 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
done

[8:57:41 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Deverin

[8:57:59 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
if they are new to PalGor they are here to observe, and see what it is like not just new to Gor

[8:58:03 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
watch that Old Sage Shyte I am still Young

[8:58:03 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
done

[8:58:29 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
^C

[8:58:34 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Joss

[8:58:49 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
anyone new to pally or new to Gor needs time to adjust and find a Home - even if they know Gor they dont know Pally

[8:59:01 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
done

[8:59:06 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Vagabond

[8:59:10 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^C

[9:00:03 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
will all due respect... bosk dung... the person who doesn't know the client is NOT the same as the person new to Gor.. if you want to distinguish that.. fine but a one size fit all Observer tag is simply disrespecting Gor...

[9:00:18 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
^c

[9:01:00 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
one knows nothing and should observe... the other knows Gor as well as most of us and gets an observer pass? seems rather shortsighted to me

[9:01:02 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
done

[9:01:41 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I think we are getting a little off the beaten path here. The original idea was to figure out how to handle people who self-identify as Outlaws........... while new people without a Home Stone may be outlaws according to Gorean law.........

[9:01:44 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
^C

[9:02:00 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
^C

[9:02:13 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
they are not in the same class of people as those originally being discussed.............

[9:02:17 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
done

[9:02:23 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Lexx

[9:02:25 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
I have to agree with Vagabond...

[9:02:31 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
done

[9:02:40 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Deverin

[9:02:49 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
Joss was first

[9:02:57 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
yes, sorry.............. Joss

[9:03:01 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
then we need a tag to differentiate but no one new to pally either way should be jumping into any Home without consideration

[9:03:05 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
done

[9:03:21 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Deverin

[9:03:23 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^C

[9:03:51 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
Joss you are playing the part of Shel getting in my head but how about OBSV-G OBSV-P

[9:04:08 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
one for new to Gor and all the other just knew to Palace

[9:04:19 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
^C

[9:04:35 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
^CCCCC

[9:04:38 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
these new here do not have a homestone are we going to make them Outlaws?

[9:04:43 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
done

[9:05:01 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I don't think we need a tag for new people.............. Elizabeth Cardwell did not get a tag when she was brought to Gor.................

[9:05:44 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I'm not saying that we can't be more patient with new people, but why do they need a special tag?

[9:05:46 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
done

[9:05:55 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
^C

[9:05:57 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
William

[9:06:04 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Thank you Grinder.

[9:07:39 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Gentlemen, we have gotten off the original subject, which was how to deal with Panthers and other outlaws at the fair grounds. Perhaps it is best to table this subject till the next leadership meeting to allow Joss and Kultish time to mull this over.

[9:07:59 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
and come up with some idea's to present to this body of home leadership.

[9:08:01 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Done.

[9:08:13 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Storm

[9:10:00 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
For Once William And I are In Some What Of Agreement Me need to move on to Something more productive And allow this one to Be more so discussed In discussion nights Or Something Then Approached With Better understanding Further down the road I dont want

[9:10:22 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
To be here all night beating Dead horses DONE

[9:10:25 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^c

[9:10:31 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Joss

[9:10:36 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
I think the point is that outlaws did not have Home Stones so by definition anyone without a Home Stone is an Outlaw - which for PalGor is unworkable - and the original subject was about Outlaws in PalGor NOT just at the Fair.

[9:11:11 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
done and also i need wish all a good night

[9:11:26 PM]
Joss`\\`²`CA:
1 am is bed time lol

[9:11:28 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
My problem is this............. I just recommended that we put together a group to come up with recommendations.................

[9:11:28 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
I wish you well Joss

[9:11:39 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
well wishes Joss...

[9:11:41 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
no one seemed interested in the idea..............

[9:12:14 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
if we table it, we will be coming back to it, again and again and again................... and again. We need ACTION to go along with the talk

[9:12:38 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
So who is going to volunteer to lead a group to bring forth ideas, at the next LR?

[9:12:50 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Grinder I will be happy to help with this.

[9:13:07 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Points to Lexx And Vagabond And Kultish

[9:13:10 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Who else is going to help?

[9:13:13 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
^c

[9:13:16 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
who ever wants to join in great if not, I will put something together and you can all gawk at My bad spelling.

[9:13:23 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Taayshie....... you have been a Panther, and know the mindset................

[9:13:36 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
yes

[9:13:40 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
what did I do?

[9:13:43 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
grinz... remember Storm when ya point that finger.. three are pointing back at you

[9:13:45 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
ROFLMAO

[9:13:49 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
so you will work with William and whomever else?

[9:14:05 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
who?

[9:14:08 PM]
Ta'ayshie~Ó~Stealth ¤§M¤JW:
yes I'll work with William and whomever else

[9:14:11 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Kultish put a C up he wants to join too.

[9:14:20 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
is why i had the others pointed elsewhere too

[9:14:20 PM] Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
lafffss

[9:14:36 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Deverin, you had some strong opinions.............. are you in?

[9:15:20 PM]
William¤IoT¤CA¤:
Jokes aside, I would like one of the fair committee to at least be on it if nothing else to have input from the fair side.

[9:16:01 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
The idea here is to bring something that will give us a starting point for the discussion

[9:16:22 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
if Kult joins so will I

[9:16:27 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Everyone should attend, if they want their input to be heard

[9:16:35 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
you will only join if Kult does?

[9:16:40 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Go ahead, Kultish

[9:16:43 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
hahahaha

[9:17:03 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
:Kult brings good paga

[9:17:03 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
Each of us here leads a home, each of us is responsible for the integrity of the environment we see around us. Each one of us I’m certain can come up with one solution based on the decision their home is comfortable with

[9:17:17 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
^C

[9:17:30 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
Id like to hear from each home lead at the next meeting, we are all accountable

[9:17:31 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
done

[9:17:37 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Each one of us will have a chance for input......... but we need a starting point

[9:17:43 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Stardeck

[9:17:53 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
ty

[9:18:40 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
First off I dont see where we have the authority to have newbies wear a certain kind of tag when they come to palgor , I think this would hurt us more then help us

[9:19:14 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
^C

[9:19:23 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
We have had outlaws and panthers here for as long as palgor has been here and this has never been an issue before

[9:19:48 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
If they are an issue at the fair then thats for the fair committee to decide on

[9:20:36 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
I thought our purpose was to help and guide people on palgor to make it a better experience for us and to stay within the gorean ideals

[9:21:04 PM]
¶ §t@rdeck¶§¶ †TOT†ÇA:
done for now

[9:21:20 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Let's get this straight............ no one is deciding on anything yet. We simply are forming a group tasked with coming up with ideas............... then we ALL can take those ideas and either adopt them, modify them and adopt them, or just discard 'em

[9:21:39 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Lexx

[9:21:41 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
if you are a CA of a home, you have the authority of your home to make anyone wear whatever tag you wish... but the Fair is up to the committee... done

[9:22:17 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
^C

[9:22:21 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Vagabond

[9:22:38 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Stands Up And Waves to All As I have things to be Doing Besides Wasting time

[9:22:49 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
let’s move on to something that doesn't chase its tail...

[9:22:49 PM]
Kul†ish~§Ð:
gnight Bro

[9:23:01 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
night Storm

[9:23:06 PM]
StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA:
Night All

[9:23:09 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
we need one or two more volunteers, and then we are moving on

[9:23:13 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
and, Storm?

[9:23:14 PM] .§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
well wishes Storm

[9:23:23 PM] StormRaider<<SM>>BZ<<CA has signed off.

[9:23:29 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I wish you well, and no offense taken at the "wasting your time" cheap shot

[9:23:47 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
if no one wants to form the said committee... then perhaps the group isn't concerned enough to give it the time ...

[9:23:53 PM]
Deverin±Shelina~Tyros~Torvie:
you can add me to the list

[9:24:14 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
THIS is the biggest problem that we have in PalGor.............. everyone wants change, but no one wants to do any work to bring it about

[9:24:27 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
the problem is

[9:24:35 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
and when people DO take action, others sit on their asses and criticize

[9:24:42 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
thank you, Deverin

[9:24:50 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
everyone wants the change they want.. not what ever happens to land on the table...

[9:24:59 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
^C

[9:25:03 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
So William, Taayshie, and Deverin are going to work on this

[9:25:09 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
thank you, you three

[9:25:11 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Sno

[9:25:22 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
ummmm

[9:25:30 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
I don't get to finish?

[9:25:39 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
very well go ahead Sno

[9:25:40 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
waits for Vagabond to finish

[9:25:40 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
my apologies, Vagabond............ go ahead

[9:26:54 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
if people thought this a problem beyond the Fairs... their rules in their homes would dictate the behavior they desired... this isn't something that can or should be legislated... beyond the Fairs.. each home decides... period

[9:27:07 PM]
Vagabond ‹GC› (T²G):
done

[9:27:24 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Sno

[9:27:26 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^C

[9:28:06 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
I dont see as Star said..after all these years why this is such a big thing..as long as the so called Outlaws and Panthers acted and dressed appropriately there was no problems

[9:28:24 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
.now if they didnt. then yes address them.

[9:28:37 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
and I am not sittin on My butt or criticizing

[9:28:45 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
I just dont have the time as of late to do much of anything but take care of issues of My Home so it would not be fair to volunteer if I cant give the time that is needed

[9:28:51 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
done

[9:29:45 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
^C

[9:30:03 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
I agree that this is not a huge issue............ there have been issues in the past, with some women refusing to veil in certain places........ or some men asserting that they didn't fall under ANY rules, because they were Outlaw.......

[9:30:33 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
and I agree that each home can, and should, handle it as they see fit................

[9:31:38 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
but would it really hurt, to talk about what is Gorean, and to hear some ideas from others? No one here has all of the answers...... so maybe we hear an idea presented and say, "HEY!! I never thought of that. But that's a good idea............

[9:31:52 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
and I'm going to incorporate it in my home."

[9:32:39 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
It really doesn't take all that much work for four people to meet for a couple of hours, one day or night a week, for a few weeks, to come up with some ideas

[9:32:53 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
but it DOES benefit the rest of us, when that happens

[9:32:55 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
done

[9:32:57 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Lexx

[9:33:05 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
I will give it my best shot but I can't promise if I'll be there all the time...

[9:33:17 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
as far as Veiling...

[9:33:31 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
there is no law saying a FW has to veil

[9:33:39 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
but in each home they have the right to pass a ruling that FW can if they wish to veil.

[9:34:53 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
the Fair, they should pass a ruling that all FW should veil...while they are there

[9:35:03 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
done

[9:35:55 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Ok................ any other new business?

[9:35:59 PM]
Lexx~H~Thentis~CA:
what happened did I put people to sleep

[9:36:00 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
^C

[9:36:06 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
Sno

[9:36:52 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
I have been talkin to a few People and was wonderin if anyone would be interested into returnin to the once a week havin like a block party.

[9:37:16 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
something to bring Homes together one day a week..have a theme party like.....

[9:37:19 PM]
.§no±TAFA±Tatrix:
done

[9:37:30 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
^c

[9:38:05 PM]
Grinder =JoV=(T²G):
You don't need our permission, right? Do it............. those who want to participate will, those who don't, won't.
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